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Welcome to the Lockn' Forum - The home of the original Lockn' Music Festival family!
Even with the date change, I'm reluctant to bring oysters on the half shell to the M&G. Thought about a crab pickin' but the timing may be dicey, too and the mess as well. A friend and Lockn' regular who used to farm clams brought the whole steamer rig and a couple hundred cherrystones (littlenecks or nicks) to Lockn' and was cooking them up on the mountain for lunch! Hondo's right about the microbes being the greater concern than chemicals. But at home, just like travelling in the third world, they are unavoidable and are therefore the better effort is to manage rather than eliminate. Same goes for the camp kitchen! Even with the date change, I'm reluctant to bring oysters on the half shell to the M&G. Thought about a crab pickin' but the timing may be dicey, too and the mess as well. A friend and Lockn' regular who used to farm clams brought the whole steamer rig and a couple hundred cherrystones (littlenecks or nicks) to Lockn' and was cooking them up on the mountain for lunch! Hondo's right about the microbes being the greater concern than chemicals. But at home, just like travelling in the third world, they are unavoidable and are therefore the better effort is to manage rather than eliminate. Same goes for the camp kitchen! Worf my daughter is a professional pastry/bread chef, a great cook, and also is very earnestly following--successfully--the keto diet, so I sent her your recipe and she gave it high approval! Much of her interest in cooking can be attributed to learning to make cream chipped beef with my Dad when she was very young, so this fits nicely. Please note: This forum is in no way officially associated with Lockn' Festival or its promoters.
What are you cooking today?
Post by Raff on Feb 17, 2020 15:03:04 GMT -5
The main food I fear undercooked, or raw meat contamination, is chicken. That is some nasty meat. But I usually cook it in small pieces so I know it's cooked through.
Meanwhile pork has greatly improved in quality since my childhood so I like it medium and don't worry about it. I source my raw oysters (often get them myself wild) and know a bad one when I see it, and a bad clam when I hear it. I also don't sweat about refrigeration too much before food's cooked.
The microwave oven is a modern source of food ailments because it often does not cook thoroughly, especially warming up leftovers.
Don't get me started on those bogus dates stamped on food now.
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Post by worf rat on Feb 17, 2020 15:30:04 GMT -5
If you're worried about whole or otherwise bone-in chicken, digital meat thermometers are widely available and affordable now.
The best pork loin I've ever eaten was skewered on a wrought-iron squirrel spit over a very small, very smoky camp fire. Lotsa people back home in the mountains cook over wood fires from Spring until the snow flies, and sometimes even after. I can never plan that far in advance. Gimme gas every day and twice on Sunday. Won't taste as good, but who the hell has the time?
What I'm cooking today
I've talked before about making jambalaya with riced cauliflower. Today I'm going to experiment with technique. If I was making it with real rice, I wouldn't add the chicken or shrimp until near the end. That way, they both get cooked gently, the chicken stays tender, and the shrimp don't get rubbery. They're not as fussy as clam strips or squid, but seafood is too dear this far inland to mess around.
Anyway, since this will be essentially protein sauteéd with vegetables, I thought I'd try using the wok. That way I won't have to deal with a cumbersome Dutch oven. I'm going to velvet the chicken similar to how I do for stir-fry: a little cornstarch, a little baking soda, and in this case a little stock instead of soy sauce. I thought about Worchestershire, since that will be going in the pot too, but it has vinegar in it, so it'll react. The alkaline soda is just caustic enough to keep the meat tender despite the high cook temp, and the cornstarch makes for a more impressive and crunchy Maillard reaction when it's seared*. Andouille, of course, will be going in with the aromatics (the "holy trinity" or Creole mirapoix: onion, celery and bell pepper). I imagine I'll have to cook off the chicken, remove, clean the wok, and do the same with the shrimp before I can start building the dish, but that only represents one extra step from how I do Asian-style stir-fries, so no big.
Wish me luck!
*If you're going to try this, don't let it marinate for more than about ten minutes. About 1/2 tsp starch and 1 tsp soda per 12 oz of diced breast. Ignore all of this if using thighs.
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Post by worf rat on Feb 17, 2020 15:50:32 GMT -5
Maybe a better example, though, is nicotine. With, like, one exception, bugs don't eat tobacco. That's probably why so many pesticides these days are neo-nicotinids. I'm not going to debate those substances merits or detriments, but make a salad of tobacco leaves (note: do NOT ever do this) and you'll see how, even in its most natural state nicotine is an organic poison. Only a little more than it takes to stimulate your dopamine receptors and get you hooked will make you purty queasy. You may have experienced this the first time you ever tried a tobacco product. Only a little more than that will do you serious harm, and not much more than that will kill you deader than a shit-bug. It's a very effective vasoconstrictor, and a relatively small amount will snap your capillaries closed like a clamp.
PS: tobacco is member of the nightshade family, which means it's related to the deadly nightshade as well as tomatoes. You should never eat tomato leaves, and for centuries it was thought that the berries (yup. Not just fruit - berries) must be poisonous as well.
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Post by smosey wales on Feb 17, 2020 16:53:56 GMT -5
As for "organic is safe" I used to laugh, back in the experimental days, when people would argue that certain recreational drugs can't hurt you because they are natural. Curare is natural--so there. And like Hondo said, it's pure marketing, mainly because there are no meaningful standards to "organic" even though there are rules. Same goes for "all natural".
A current fad is touting one's wine as "organic." Almost all wine is already "organic" with the exception of those with a little added sulfites, which helps the wine's stability and therefore keeps it more wholesome--especially the whites. But sulfites are a naturally occurring chemical found in the fermentation process anyway.
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Post by smosey wales on Feb 17, 2020 17:08:09 GMT -5
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Post by worf rat on Feb 17, 2020 18:37:23 GMT -5
When I used to help with hospitality for small fests there were an inordinate amount of second-stage acts (and they were always second-stage) that "needed" to know if the food was organic. We were instructed to always say yes. I didn't feel bad about lying, because we weren't. Everything except salt that went into their mouths started as a carbon-based life form. It don't get any more organic without dead, liquified dinosaurs.
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BTW folks, it worked like a charm. Tell me you wouldn't eat this.
So deLISHous!
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Post by smosey wales on Feb 17, 2020 22:01:39 GMT -5
She said, "If he doesn't know what it is, it won't hurt him; if he does, he won't say anything."
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Post by kuriti on Feb 18, 2020 8:39:49 GMT -5
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Post by worf rat on Feb 19, 2020 8:29:38 GMT -5
1 cup cold milk
1.25-1.5 tbs cornstarch1
1/2 tsp sodium-free powdered bouillon2
1/8 tsp rubbed sage
1/8 tsp thyme
1/8 tsp smoked paprika3
1/4 tsp salt4
1/4 tsp freshly cracked black pepper5
Combine all dry ingredients into a small saucepan. Whisk in milk a little at a time, so there's no lumps. Heat over medium, stirring constantly until it starts to come to a boil. Reduce heat and simmer for five minutes6. Place lid on pan and let stand on warm burner for another five.
After my morning workout I had this over a couple of scrambled eggs and some leftover chicken strips I did in the convection oven for maximum crunch. You Southern boys might scoff, but it was excellent.
1. Or 2 tbs flour, if you don't care about carbs.
2. Veg if you must, but chicken is best.
3. Regular sweet paprika will still taste great, but smoked gives a bacon-y flavor to everything it's in. Try it on popcorn! Hot will likely be too hot, but you do you...
4. Omit if you don't have sodium-free bouillon.
5. Yes, it makes a difference. You can by a pre-filled pepper mill in any grocery store now, so why not?
6. It will likely be thickened enough when it starts to boil, but the starch has to be cooked thoroughly or it will taste gritty. And starchy.
7. Footnotes are fun!
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Post by TOO $ on Feb 19, 2020 9:08:54 GMT -5
1 cup cold milk
1.25-1.5 tbs cornstarch1
1/2 tsp sodium-free powdered bouillon2
1/8 tsp rubbed sage
1/8 tsp thyme
1/8 tsp smoked paprika3
1/4 tsp salt4
1/4 tsp freshly cracked black pepper5
Combine all dry ingredients into a small saucepan. Whisk in milk a little at a time, so there's no lumps. Heat over medium, stirring constantly until it starts to come to a boil. Reduce heat and simmer for five minutes6. Place lid on pan and let stand on warm burner for another five.
After my morning workout I had this over a couple of scrambled eggs and some leftover chicken strips I did in the convection oven for maximum crunch. You Southern boys might scoff, but it was excellent.
1. Or 2 tbs flour, if you don't care about carbs.
2. Veg if you must, but chicken is best.
3. Regular sweet paprika will still taste great, but smoked gives a bacon-y flavor to everything it's in. Try it on popcorn! Hot will likely be too hot, but you do you...
4. Omit if you don't have sodium-free bouillon.
5. Yes, it makes a difference. You can by a pre-filled pepper mill in any grocery store now, so why not?
6. It will likely be thickened enough when it starts to boil, but the starch has to be cooked thoroughly or it will taste gritty. And starchy.
7. Footnotes are fun!
Old Head
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Post by worf rat on Feb 19, 2020 11:45:06 GMT -5
I'm sure you know, but for any other readers: the cornstarch has carbs. About the same as flour, but it thickens more, so you can use less. 1 tbs will thicken it pretty good; I just like thick gravy on my biscuits. Don't use in anything you want to be cloudy (milk is already cloudy) or anything you don't want to have a little gloss (milk gravy is glossy anyway).
For those not on keto, try crumbling cooked turkey or soy sausage in it and making some drop biscuits with reduced fat Bisquick. Not for every day, but for a special occasion brunch you can feel a little better about yourself. And if you live up north, it impresses the hell out people.
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Post by hondo on Feb 19, 2020 11:48:48 GMT -5
I'm sure you know, but for any other readers: the cornstarch has carbs. About the same as flour, but it thickens more, so you can use less. 1 tbs will thicken it pretty good; I just like thick gravy on my biscuits. Don't use in anything you want to be cloudy (milk is already cloudy) or anything you don't want to have a little gloss (milk gravy is glossy anyway).
For those not on keto, try crumbling cooked turkey or soy sausage in it and making some drop biscuits with reduced fat Bisquick. Not for every day, but for a special occasion brunch you can feel a little better about yourself. And if you live up north, it impresses the hell out people.
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Post by smosey wales on Feb 19, 2020 12:03:02 GMT -5
Normally, you would melt butter/fat and cook the flour/cornstarch in it to make a roux then add milk. Yours, by avoiding the butter, is healthier.
Though I haven't tried it, I recall my mother cooking dry floor on a cookie sheet until lightly brown and then proceeding with the gravy, without any butter. Could you cook your dry ingredients first? The essential part is cooking the dry goods, and it's a pain to try to stir the dry into a liquid to make a cookable paste/slurry.
I like a small splash of heavy cream at the very end of the cooking to give it body. I always use white pepper while cooking this, sometimes a little cayenne, and the cracked black pepper when serving.*
I often cook with 2% milk; never skim milk. The 2% isn't bad if you stir some heavy cream in it.
Obviously, you add the crumbled pork sausage or the torn chipped beef to it.**
*Why do restaurants only bring around the pepper grinder for the salad? We have them bring it back for everything. I grew up with a pepper grinder on the table and agree, the powder is not what you want, except for making a large batch of rub.
**no, I get it--yours is healthy. The sage/thyme makes you think there's sausage in there. Likewise, smoked paprika suggests bacon; I first encountered it in a "healthy" recipe where the cook wanted to reduce the amount of bacon, but retain the flavor, so she cut the bacon way down and bumped up the smoked paprika.
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Post by smosey wales on Feb 19, 2020 15:29:15 GMT -5
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Post by Raff on Feb 19, 2020 17:09:31 GMT -5
1 cup cold milk
1.25-1.5 tbs cornstarch1
1/2 tsp sodium-free powdered bouillon2
1/8 tsp rubbed sage
1/8 tsp thyme
1/8 tsp smoked paprika3
1/4 tsp salt4
1/4 tsp freshly cracked black pepper5
Combine all dry ingredients into a small saucepan. Whisk in milk a little at a time, so there's no lumps. Heat over medium, stirring constantly until it starts to come to a boil. Reduce heat and simmer for five minutes6. Place lid on pan and let stand on warm burner for another five.
After my morning workout I had this over a couple of scrambled eggs and some leftover chicken strips I did in the convection oven for maximum crunch. You Southern boys might scoff, but it was excellent.
1. Or 2 tbs flour, if you don't care about carbs.
2. Veg if you must, but chicken is best.
3. Regular sweet paprika will still taste great, but smoked gives a bacon-y flavor to everything it's in. Try it on popcorn! Hot will likely be too hot, but you do you...
4. Omit if you don't have sodium-free bouillon.
5. Yes, it makes a difference. You can by a pre-filled pepper mill in any grocery store now, so why not?
6. It will likely be thickened enough when it starts to boil, but the starch has to be cooked thoroughly or it will taste gritty. And starchy.
7. Footnotes are fun!
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Post by lobster on Feb 19, 2020 17:32:20 GMT -5
My friend and his now wife were cooking breakfast for his kids a few years ago. They hadn't been together long, she is a city girl from somewhere up around worf.
He had placed the bacon pan w/drippings to the side to make gravy. She comes in and nearly dumped the grease in the trash before he stopped her.
"I was gonna use that for gravy"
"The grease?!"
"Of course, what else would we use?"
She reached into her pantry (it was her apt) pulled out a pack of gravy mix.
"I'm not eating any grease gravy!"
They have been married for quite a few years now. She is very successful and The breadwinner and he stays home, takes care of the kids and the gravy.
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Post by kuriti on Feb 19, 2020 17:34:31 GMT -5
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Post by smosey wales on Feb 19, 2020 17:35:37 GMT -5
French provincial (peasant) has always been a top style and it's simple and cheap, and generally healthy, but they knew how to add the right seasoning to go from diner fare to fine dining.
of course, what's "healthy" is too long an unresolvable debate even for this forum in February.
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Post by smosey wales on Feb 19, 2020 17:43:29 GMT -5
However, it's not that different in construction than Worf's recipe: thickening (flour), spices, salt, dried fat, and you add milk (or water if it has powdered milk). Those envelopes aren't hard to cook around or reverse engineer. Béarnaise is the only envelope I still use.
To my point above, a small amount of bacon grease, strategically deployed, will give you the flavor and texture that the whole pan used to. And smoked paprika.
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Post by worf rat on Feb 19, 2020 20:08:45 GMT -5
My friend and his now wife were cooking breakfast for his kids a few years ago. They hadn't been together long, she is a city girl from somewhere up around worf.
He had placed the bacon pan w/drippings to the side to make gravy. She comes in and nearly dumped the grease in the trash before he stopped her.
"I was gonna use that for gravy"
"The grease?!"
"Of course, what else would we use?"
She reached into her pantry (it was her apt) pulled out a pack of gravy mix.
"I'm not eating any grease gravy!"
They have been married for quite a few years now. She is very successful and The breadwinner and he stays home, takes care of the kids and the gravy.I make the gravy I render the fat into gravy.
Post by Raff on Feb 20, 2020 17:08:02 GMT -5
Post by Raff on Feb 20, 2020 17:24:46 GMT -5
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Post by smosey wales on Feb 20, 2020 17:29:58 GMT -5
that's a well trimmed T-loin--looks more like an eye of the round. Do you have to trim it so close? I don't suppose an eye would work due to the short cook time.
Since you put it on hot coals, no flame, I assume no smoke flavor (smoked dish rag?) and you could do just as well on a hot gas grill top? Mine's about 500 maybe more. Of course I know for atmosphere real fire is better. That's why I like best just chunking it into the fireplace!
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