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Post by mccjeff on May 21, 2017 12:26:10 GMT -5
Maybe get a Main Stage Specialty booth and not sell a thing. Just bring in a couple ac units and have a nice spot to chill. Otherwise not a good sign that vendors are having difficulties.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 13:10:13 GMT -5
Maybe they should start a program where if you get 5 other vendors to commit to Lockn', you can vend for free.
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Post by Bird700level on May 21, 2017 18:33:43 GMT -5
Sounds like a decent amount of spots for BRB. Where will they put them? Top of the hill? Infinity downs vendors are just as close
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Post by smosey wales on May 21, 2017 18:59:23 GMT -5
I wonder what last year cost to play? I can't see anyone running two booths.
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Post by TOO $ on May 21, 2017 19:58:20 GMT -5
Check my math here...
$4000 plus 25% of sales for Garcia's (edited) spot
You sell grilled cheese for $8, $6 of which goes towards your fees
60 hours of sales opportunities
You need to sell 666 grilled cheese to cover just your fees
You need to sell 11 grilled cheese an hour to cover fees, not including travel costs, cost of supplies, travel, employees, etc.
I can see where this would be a difficult decision to vend or not.
Last Edit: May 22, 2017 7:52:53 GMT -5 by TOO $
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Post by Bird700level on May 21, 2017 20:27:06 GMT -5
Garcias is $4000. BRB and main show field are about a grand less. It does look like they are open 24 hours friday and saturday
Last Edit: May 21, 2017 20:30:21 GMT -5 by Bird700level
Post by southernman on May 22, 2017 7:25:36 GMT -5
11 grilled cheeses/hour does not sound like that many.
Any idea how the costs/fee structure compares to other festivals?
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Post by smosey wales on May 22, 2017 7:44:59 GMT -5
666 grilled cheese sandwiches? It's the devil at work I tell ya!
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Post by TOO $ on May 22, 2017 9:24:49 GMT -5
And I guess if you are selling $25 t-shirts you only have to sell about 3.5 shirts/hour to cover those fees, give or take.11 grilled cheeses/hour does not sound like that many.
Any idea how the costs/fee structure compares to other festivals?
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Post by southernman on May 22, 2017 11:40:32 GMT -5
And I guess if you are selling $25 t-shirts you only have to sell about 3.5 shirts/hour to cover those fees, give or take.11 grilled cheeses/hour does not sound like that many.
Any idea how the costs/fee structure compares to other festivals?
Honestly maybe I'm not the best person to comment on this thread, but without some context, I have no idea if this is a large amount or not.
Not to you specifically, but I thought the whole point of sale thing was optional and vendors could still do their own payments. Or maybe its just optional from the end user's end? But they can still collect cash...
I do think that somehow Lockn needs to tighten up on the taxes thing, the meal taxes for Nelson Co. and just taxes more generally. I'm not sure I have a good solution to that either.
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Post by thelizard on May 22, 2017 20:58:56 GMT -5
I feel like this math is gross.
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Post by kuriti on May 23, 2017 5:55:45 GMT -5
I just like your confidence in the grill cheese makers cost/benefit analysis.Check my math here...
$4000 plus 25% of sales for Garcia's (edited) spot
You sell grilled cheese for $8, $6 of which goes towards your fees
60 hours of sales opportunities
You need to sell 666 grilled cheese to cover just your fees
You need to sell 11 grilled cheese an hour to cover fees, not including travel costs, cost of supplies, travel, employees, etc.
I can see where this would be a difficult decision to vend or not.
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Post by mccjeff on May 23, 2017 8:32:26 GMT -5
That is more than a few grilled cheese.not including travel costs, cost of supplies, travel, employees, etc
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Post by mccjeff on May 23, 2017 8:56:33 GMT -5
Even if you are paying your employees in grilled cheese it is a lot.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 14:38:22 GMT -5
Hmmm, grilled cheese and doses...I might work for that. Even if you are paying your employees in grilled cheese it is a lot.
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Post by smosey wales on May 24, 2017 14:25:37 GMT -5
Back to the drawing board--I hope the new arrangement allows vendors to go back to one gig.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 8:47:50 GMT -5
In reading this contract this morning, I note that it does not specify when Lockn has to send the vendors their checks for cashless transactions. Ought to say 30 days. Also does not specify required transaction fee percentage. I would not sign this.
PS One festival (Firefly) is going totally cashless this summer and I suspect most, including Lockn, will follow suit in the future.
Last Edit: May 26, 2017 8:50:23 GMT -5 by Deleted
smosey wales
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Post by smosey wales on May 26, 2017 9:33:56 GMT -5
All those terms can be changed; it's amazing how many people sign without reading or thinking.
I've noticed lately at concert venues the vendors have to enter every sale into a tablet. Huge waste of time and causes big back logs. A $8 beer is an $8 beer. Then the young 'uns who don't carry cash have to charge everything. So while I personally don't like cashless, it will be better overall.
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Post by jrtmom on May 31, 2017 2:53:17 GMT -5
666 grilled cheese sandwiches? It's the devil at work I tell ya!
Last Edit: May 31, 2017 2:54:36 GMT -5 by jrtmom
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Post by Bird700level on Jul 11, 2017 19:13:25 GMT -5
Any idea when food vendor list gets released? Need my rice balls, gouda boys and peace, love, taco.
Post by chewbacca on Jul 11, 2017 21:26:27 GMT -5
So all of the lockn' vendors will accept cash this year and the whole cashless thing is just an option correct? I always prefer dealing in cash whenever possible. The festival taking 25-30 percent seems very steep to me
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Post by Andie Bee on Jul 11, 2017 21:29:13 GMT -5
I wonder if McJeff's camp accepts cash. I hear the menu is superb...
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Post by FishinHatteras on Jul 12, 2017 15:20:35 GMT -5
What if I'm the only asshole there that wants a grilled peanut butter sammich?
Can I bring my own tomato soup?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 15:33:31 GMT -5
You're not and yes.What if I'm the only asshole there that wants a grilled peanut butter sammich?
Can I bring my own tomato soup?
Post by jead on Aug 15, 2017 13:49:50 GMT -5
Begin Rant
I personally know of 1 vendor who will not be at Lockn this year due to their cost/fee structure. I know a couple more who will be there but they have serious doubts about turning a profit and this could well be their last year. It's certainly a debatable point but I feel that the quality and variety of vendors at any given Festival are integral to the whole "experience" - much like the quality and variety of music at a given festival - they sort of go hand in hand. It's my understanding that Lockn has kept the same price this year for vendors BUT halved their space (your 10 x 20 last year is now a 10 x10). That'll guarantee you less vendors. Personally, I'd much rather see lower costs for the non food and drink folks, seems to me that option/opportunity would stimulate and encourage more local and regional participation, add more variety and vitality. I can't be the only one who sees the entire vending situation shrinking year by year. I'd much rather see a Farmer's Market in the field at Lockn rather than a McDonalds but it's getting to where I can see the day of corporate festival vending coming.
Rant concludes
