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Welcome to the Lockn' Forum - The home of the original Lockn' Music Festival family!
"family camping" is just a form of car camping: one car and one 20x20 for $169. "community camping" is the 40 x 50 space for up to four cars and cost $949 ($237 ea for 4). you can come with one car but you pay for it. Also please correct this: Forest and tent include a parking space nearby, so another 8x20 = 160 sq. ft? Please note: This forum is in no way officially associated with Lockn' Festival or its promoters.
LOCKN' 2019 Map Is Here!
Old Head
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Marcel Duchamp
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by kuriti on Jun 5, 2019 11:33:47 GMT -5
So most of the options are comparable by square foot, with Forest camping being the double-cost premium. However, I think I found a loop hole in their process. I can't see a minimum requirement for number of cars that create a "family", just that it is $169 per car. So I guess the question is, what is keeping me from paying for family and just getting a much bigger space for my one car? I am intentionally burying this in the map thread to keep it from being abused.
Lockn': not dying, still Dead
Post by grumbly-one on Jun 5, 2019 12:07:31 GMT -5
Having to go all the way around the pond to the back of the VIP and then back down the row is about as far as walking from the main entrance to garcias forest (I just farted around drawing lines in powerpoint to see the distances)
They need to open a gate and let us cut through the pond, or have a bridge over the pond!
6/28 Midsummer Barn Dance
7/12 Summer Jam at Watkins Glen 1973 tribute
7/24 Floydfest
8/31 Front Porch Festival
10/24 Yarnival
Merry Prankster
Disguised as a squirrel
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Anyone? Anyone?
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by smosey wales on Jun 5, 2019 13:05:35 GMT -5
Feb 12 Billy Strings NFK
Feb 18 Marshall Tucker Band Philly
Feb 25 Marcus King Band NFK
April 6 Rosanne Cash NFK
April 15 James McMurtry NFK
April 20 Little Feat VaBeach
April 21 Blackberry Smoke NFK
July 2 Last Fair Deal w/John K VaB
July 23 Dave Mathews Band VaB
July 26 Robert Earl Keen C'ville
July 28-31 Floyd Fest BFE
Sept 24 Southern Culture on the Skids VaB
Nov 19 Dark Star Norva
Dec 3 Sky Dog VaB
Merry Prankster
Disguised as a squirrel
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Anyone? Anyone?
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by smosey wales on Jun 5, 2019 13:23:29 GMT -5
First, your figures show gross revenues per sq. ft. but ignore the cost differentials, the biggest being building and running power to the RV sites. That makes them even less profitable.
More important, just like we consider voids when evaluating leasing commercial space, you can't just count the leased area (20'x20') but the lanes and spaces (ie voids) in the gross area. Car sites are tight against each other; RV's have lots of open space around them. Dredge up that really cool site plan someone purloined last year to see this. How many of each site per acre?
Finally, for cost, there is a per capita cost where the denser housing can cost more per square foot than the less dense. If six people stay in a Poppa Bear at $649, they pay $108 each. But four people in a car site at $169 pay $42 each. Yet the festival has costs per head of X for sanitation, water, medical, staff, insurance, logistics like gates. If that per capita is $50 per, you loose money on the car campers and make money on the RV's.
Tomorrow, we'll factor in the VIP/SVIP, and then the staff's facilities (they have their own campground).
Feb 12 Billy Strings NFK
Feb 18 Marshall Tucker Band Philly
Feb 25 Marcus King Band NFK
April 6 Rosanne Cash NFK
April 15 James McMurtry NFK
April 20 Little Feat VaBeach
April 21 Blackberry Smoke NFK
July 2 Last Fair Deal w/John K VaB
July 23 Dave Mathews Band VaB
July 26 Robert Earl Keen C'ville
July 28-31 Floyd Fest BFE
Sept 24 Southern Culture on the Skids VaB
Nov 19 Dark Star Norva
Dec 3 Sky Dog VaB
Merry Prankster
Disguised as a squirrel
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Anyone? Anyone?
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by smosey wales on Jun 5, 2019 13:34:15 GMT -5
Feb 12 Billy Strings NFK
Feb 18 Marshall Tucker Band Philly
Feb 25 Marcus King Band NFK
April 6 Rosanne Cash NFK
April 15 James McMurtry NFK
April 20 Little Feat VaBeach
April 21 Blackberry Smoke NFK
July 2 Last Fair Deal w/John K VaB
July 23 Dave Mathews Band VaB
July 26 Robert Earl Keen C'ville
July 28-31 Floyd Fest BFE
Sept 24 Southern Culture on the Skids VaB
Nov 19 Dark Star Norva
Dec 3 Sky Dog VaB
Cowboy Neal
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Dead and Company featuring Johnny Slayer
Number of LOCKNs attended: 7
Post by TOO $ on Jun 5, 2019 13:58:20 GMT -5
Cowboy Neal
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Dead and Company featuring Johnny Slayer
Number of LOCKNs attended: 7
Post by TOO $ on Jun 5, 2019 14:00:49 GMT -5
Having to go all the way around the pond to the back of the VIP and then back down the row is about as far as walking from the main entrance to garcias forest (I just farted around drawing lines in powerpoint to see the distances)
They need to open a gate and let us cut through the pond, or have a bridge over the pond!
Old Head
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Give me TTB or give me death!
Number of LOCKNs attended: 3
Member is Online
Post by suebhunny on Jun 5, 2019 15:11:22 GMT -5
6/13-16 Beardfest Hammonton, NJ
7/7 Outlaw Music Fest Hershey PA
7/18-21 4848 Festival Snowshoe WV
8/2-3 Billy Strings Bryce Jordan Center Penn State
8/29-9/2 - Karnival of the Arts (East) Kempton PA
9/19-22 Infamous Weekend Pops Farm VA
Cowboy Neal
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Dead and Company featuring Johnny Slayer
Number of LOCKNs attended: 7
Post by TOO $ on Jun 5, 2019 15:15:56 GMT -5
Old Head
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Marcel Duchamp
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by kuriti on Jun 5, 2019 15:34:01 GMT -5
First, your figures show gross revenues per sq. ft. but ignore the cost differentials, the biggest being building and running power to the RV sites. That makes them even less profitable.
More important, just like we consider voids when evaluating leasing commercial space, you can't just count the leased area (20'x20') but the lanes and spaces (ie voids) in the gross area. Car sites are tight against each other; RV's have lots of open space around them. Dredge up that really cool site plan someone purloined last year to see this. How many of each site per acre?
Finally, for cost, there is a per capita cost where the denser housing can cost more per square foot than the less dense. If six people stay in a Poppa Bear at $649, they pay $108 each. But four people in a car site at $169 pay $42 each. Yet the festival has costs per head of X for sanitation, water, medical, staff, insurance, logistics like gates. If that per capita is $50 per, you loose money on the car campers and make money on the RV's.
Tomorrow, we'll factor in the VIP/SVIP, and then the staff's facilities (they have their own campground).
I hope someone there is modeling the average spend per customer class and making decisions accordingly. That is the amazing thing about the bracelets. I know most people think they care about your comings and goings, but the biggest power could be in using them to find efficiencies that could mean the life or death of the festival itself.
Lockn': not dying, still Dead
Old Head
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Give me TTB or give me death!
Number of LOCKNs attended: 3
Member is Online
Post by suebhunny on Jun 5, 2019 15:57:40 GMT -5
6/13-16 Beardfest Hammonton, NJ
7/7 Outlaw Music Fest Hershey PA
7/18-21 4848 Festival Snowshoe WV
8/2-3 Billy Strings Bryce Jordan Center Penn State
8/29-9/2 - Karnival of the Arts (East) Kempton PA
9/19-22 Infamous Weekend Pops Farm VA
Merry Prankster
Disguised as a squirrel
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Anyone? Anyone?
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by smosey wales on Jun 5, 2019 16:00:28 GMT -5
Feb 12 Billy Strings NFK
Feb 18 Marshall Tucker Band Philly
Feb 25 Marcus King Band NFK
April 6 Rosanne Cash NFK
April 15 James McMurtry NFK
April 20 Little Feat VaBeach
April 21 Blackberry Smoke NFK
July 2 Last Fair Deal w/John K VaB
July 23 Dave Mathews Band VaB
July 26 Robert Earl Keen C'ville
July 28-31 Floyd Fest BFE
Sept 24 Southern Culture on the Skids VaB
Nov 19 Dark Star Norva
Dec 3 Sky Dog VaB
Old Head
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: DakhaBrakha 4eva
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by uʞɔo˥ewbn on Jun 6, 2019 2:14:49 GMT -5
If you zoom in close on the Google Earth image you can still see the line of abandoned cars in the "Field of Broken Dreams".
And these poor folks never made it off the farm.
Long Distance Runner
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: My Morning Jacket
Number of LOCKNs attended: 4
Post by banjer on Jun 6, 2019 8:15:18 GMT -5
Old Head
This is so much FUN!!
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Neil Young
Number of LOCKNs attended: 7
Post by thelizard on Jun 7, 2019 8:38:20 GMT -5
So most of the options are comparable by square foot, with Forest camping being the double-cost premium. However, I think I found a loop hole in their process. I can't see a minimum requirement for number of cars that create a "family", just that it is $169 per car. So I guess the question is, what is keeping me from paying for family and just getting a much bigger space for my one car? I am intentionally burying this in the map thread to keep it from being abused.
Dire Wolf
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Hot Tuna
Number of LOCKNs attended: 5
Post by BB on Jun 19, 2019 8:46:47 GMT -5
Thank you for reaching out to us and we hope you had a nice weekend! We apologize for the delayed response as we have received an unprecedented amount of traffic recently. Currently, VIP and SVIP day parking passes are not being offered, but it's possible this will change in the future closer to the event. If anything changes, LOCKN will update their website with the information, so we recommend staying tuned there. If you have any other questions, feel free to let us know!
That's a bit annoying, since it is no greater trouble to have a smaller dedicated parking area as they have done before. MOre shall perhaps be revealed?
Old Head
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: David Hasselhoff
Number of LOCKNs attended: 3
Post by Bird700level on Jun 19, 2019 8:57:16 GMT -5
Thank you for reaching out to us and we hope you had a nice weekend! We apologize for the delayed response as we have received an unprecedented amount of traffic recently. Currently, VIP and SVIP day parking passes are not being offered, but it's possible this will change in the future closer to the event. If anything changes, LOCKN will update their website with the information, so we recommend staying tuned there. If you have any other questions, feel free to let us know!
That's a bit annoying, since it is no greater trouble to have a smaller dedicated parking area as they have done before. MOre shall perhaps be revealed?
Merry Prankster
Disguised as a squirrel
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Anyone? Anyone?
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by smosey wales on Jun 19, 2019 9:39:44 GMT -5
Feb 12 Billy Strings NFK
Feb 18 Marshall Tucker Band Philly
Feb 25 Marcus King Band NFK
April 6 Rosanne Cash NFK
April 15 James McMurtry NFK
April 20 Little Feat VaBeach
April 21 Blackberry Smoke NFK
July 2 Last Fair Deal w/John K VaB
July 23 Dave Mathews Band VaB
July 26 Robert Earl Keen C'ville
July 28-31 Floyd Fest BFE
Sept 24 Southern Culture on the Skids VaB
Nov 19 Dark Star Norva
Dec 3 Sky Dog VaB
Post by grumbly-one on Jun 19, 2019 10:06:47 GMT -5
What will it take to bribe that person to do it again?
6/28 Midsummer Barn Dance
7/12 Summer Jam at Watkins Glen 1973 tribute
7/24 Floydfest
8/31 Front Porch Festival
10/24 Yarnival
Cowboy Neal
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Dead and Company featuring Johnny Slayer
Number of LOCKNs attended: 7
Post by TOO $ on Jun 19, 2019 11:23:47 GMT -5
What will it take to bribe that person to do it again?
Merry Prankster
Disguised as a squirrel
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Anyone? Anyone?
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by smosey wales on Jun 19, 2019 12:08:57 GMT -5
Feb 12 Billy Strings NFK
Feb 18 Marshall Tucker Band Philly
Feb 25 Marcus King Band NFK
April 6 Rosanne Cash NFK
April 15 James McMurtry NFK
April 20 Little Feat VaBeach
April 21 Blackberry Smoke NFK
July 2 Last Fair Deal w/John K VaB
July 23 Dave Mathews Band VaB
July 26 Robert Earl Keen C'ville
July 28-31 Floyd Fest BFE
Sept 24 Southern Culture on the Skids VaB
Nov 19 Dark Star Norva
Dec 3 Sky Dog VaB
Cowboy Neal
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Dead and Company featuring Johnny Slayer
Number of LOCKNs attended: 7
Post by TOO $ on Jun 19, 2019 13:10:30 GMT -5
Old Head
This is so much FUN!!
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Neil Young
Number of LOCKNs attended: 7
Post by thelizard on Jun 20, 2019 6:58:05 GMT -5
Thank you for reaching out to us and we hope you had a nice weekend! We apologize for the delayed response as we have received an unprecedented amount of traffic recently. Currently, VIP and SVIP day parking passes are not being offered, but it's possible this will change in the future closer to the event. If anything changes, LOCKN will update their website with the information, so we recommend staying tuned there. If you have any other questions, feel free to let us know!
That's a bit annoying, since it is no greater trouble to have a smaller dedicated parking area as they have done before. MOre shall perhaps be revealed?
Cowboy Neal
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Dead and Company featuring Johnny Slayer
Number of LOCKNs attended: 7
Post by TOO $ on Jun 20, 2019 9:05:30 GMT -5
Old Head
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Here Come the Mummies
Number of LOCKNs attended: 7
Member is Online
Post by slypknot on Jun 20, 2019 17:53:39 GMT -5
"More to Come..."
It really would be the prank that rocked the festival world if Dead & Co were either last minute, or better yet, surprise guests at Lockn'. Bobby and Otiel are already there, how hard could it be?
But it seems like in this world that sort of prankery just can't be done, the machinery is too massive for it.
We are lessened because of it.
Crickets and cicadas sing... A rare and different tune...
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