Ticketmaster is sent to the principal's office

In complete fairness, you do not describe my friend's business principles at all, and his is not a ticket company anyway. And he has done many things through the years to get the fans better access to the music.  But I don't want to get into a single personality.

anyway, to borrow your "concert pie" analogy, the ticket vendor is just one of the slices, and you don't know that the ticket vendor only takes a couple of bucks in the transaction. The big numbers come from other slices. The artist's slice is carved out and marked; the rest is sliced for many forks, not just the ticket vendor.

Trust me, I'm not defending them, just trying to explain a complicated process the public doesn't understand and certainly doesn't like.

Bear in mind, as well, that the artist's slice of the "concert pie" is not divvied up to the five guys on stage; it's sliced up to agents, managers, crew, sound/light, and the M&M inspector.

Can't agree more. All agree that the flaw in the process is the reeking customer dissatisfaction. The businesses know, too, just like consumer products sellers know we hate the impossibly sealed plastic packaging, but find it overall necessary.

What we've learned from the information collected above is that yelling at ticketmaster is like yelling at the cashier at Walmart--the decision is made elsewhere. Going to single price might even end up worse for us consumers, as would a break-up.

There are a lot of similarities with the sentiment to eliminate tipping waiters, and the daunting effort to switch that over, nationally, at one time.

I guess what I’m saying is… regardless of the size of the pie, there’s too many people asking for a big slice, when they outta be happy with a sliver. When “Rock N’ Roll” was super big & profitable 50 years ago, there wasn’t that many hands in the till, today everybody & their brother has their hands out.

When I started going to concerts in the late 90’s tickets would be $35-$50 with a $3.50 service fee… that’s a 10%-15% mark up on the service fee based on ticket price… today that same ticket is $60-$70 and the service fee is $25-$35 dollars or 40% - 50% added on to the ticket… so if they could all make money 20 years ago with a 10% mark up then they should be able to do the same today… or they outta let somebody else run their business who has better business sense. The only reason they charge more is because of greed, it’s hard to fix that. And I know of no business that is better because there is no competition… lack of competition retards innovation, keeps the status quo even when it’s stale and doesn’t motivate the the product to improve or benefit the consumer.

The only time I saw Elton John he dropped in on a beach boys concert in a helicopter, I paid $7.50 for that ticket from ticket bastard

I seldom go to the big shows, mainly due to the price. I have as much fun at the bar bands/small venue/listening room shows.  Four hours of good Grateful Dead, free parking, walk around, dance, $5 PBR, $20 all in.

Tell me how two ticket brokers can list the very same seats for the same show? Not similar seats, the very same seats! Vivid tickets and StubHub listed these seats. Are they the same company? If this is speculation how do they know these seats are available?

Did anyone here end up with lawn tickets for jiffy lube d&c?

I was looking at them I think on day one and they were gone, and I havent seen a single resale ticket on the ticketmaster/live nation site. Although there are plenty of $380 resale tickets for sale.

Just wondering if its ticketmaster fuckery or if there really are none for sale.

I think they will become available closer to show date. I'll keep an eye out as well. Cash or Trade has many ISO posts for lawn tickets but none for sale. With this level of ticket sales DeadCO may just do a Final Tour every year!

I think this indicates that each vendor has access to the same tickets being held by Ticketmaster or maybe even a higher tier seller. Just like tickets at the box office, once a certain seat is sold, it's gone. You've seen it when you select a seat and when you close out the deal, you get "oops too late" or they shuttle you off to a seat nearby.

Obfuscation is their friend.

I think the Springsteen concert being in Tulsa has more to do with prices falling & low demand than any other factor. If you put Toby Keith or Clint Black or Garth Brooks in Tulsa the same night it would probably be crazy high prices because they are a better fit for the market. Also, a market like Tulsa may just not be able to sustain $1000 ticket prices. There’s just not enough buyers at that price point for it to hold. Whereas, in say NYC you have 100 times the number of buyers to keep the artificial price in place. Furthermore I doubt we see Springsteen tickets at MSG or “full on the blank east coast arena” fall to $6 a ticket.

As for Dead & Co tickets, the demand is inflated & artificial for sure. There’s always tickets on the ground to every Dead & Co show as long you just want in the door (Red Rocks being the exception). I think the prices will drop to close to face for most tickets and lawns with upper deck stadium tickets going for under current face value either on the secondary market or sold in 4 for $100 packages by the venue closer to the show. As for the lawn being sold out at every southern venue, that’s weird. Maybe they held back tickets for that “Season Lawn Pass” thing and they’ll re-release the leftovers or maybe they just got bought up by scalpers, promotions & fans but I find it hard to believe that.

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