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Post by longhair1218 on Feb 24, 2023 18:33:42 GMT -5
in other words donate to my campaign fund if you want this to go away.
Merry Prankster
Disguised as a squirrel
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Anyone? Anyone?
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by smosey wales on Mar 16, 2023 12:58:15 GMT -5
But understandably the consumers are angry. Would enough of them have paid $44.00 all in? Maybe the $20 base price is bait and switch by the band, not the company processing the sale?
ETA after Robert Smith complained, TM said it would refund some of the fees, but I did not see how much.
Feb 12 Billy Strings NFK
Feb 18 Marshall Tucker Band Philly
Feb 25 Marcus King Band NFK
April 6 Rosanne Cash NFK
April 15 James McMurtry NFK
April 20 Little Feat VaBeach
April 21 Blackberry Smoke NFK
July 2 Last Fair Deal w/John K VaB
July 23 Dave Mathews Band VaB
July 26 Robert Earl Keen C'ville
July 28-31 Floyd Fest BFE
Sept 24 Southern Culture on the Skids VaB
Nov 19 Dark Star Norva
Dec 3 Sky Dog VaB
Merry Prankster
Disguised as a squirrel
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Anyone? Anyone?
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by smosey wales on Mar 17, 2023 5:04:16 GMT -5
Feb 12 Billy Strings NFK
Feb 18 Marshall Tucker Band Philly
Feb 25 Marcus King Band NFK
April 6 Rosanne Cash NFK
April 15 James McMurtry NFK
April 20 Little Feat VaBeach
April 21 Blackberry Smoke NFK
July 2 Last Fair Deal w/John K VaB
July 23 Dave Mathews Band VaB
July 26 Robert Earl Keen C'ville
July 28-31 Floyd Fest BFE
Sept 24 Southern Culture on the Skids VaB
Nov 19 Dark Star Norva
Dec 3 Sky Dog VaB
Post by nershithegnome on Mar 17, 2023 14:40:52 GMT -5
But understandably the consumers are angry. Would enough of them have paid $44.00 all in? Maybe the $20 base price is bait and switch by the band, not the company processing the sale?
ETA after Robert Smith complained, TM said it would refund some of the fees, but I did not see how much.
In a system where everyone wants to be as greedy as they can be, without getting called greedy in the process… it’s gonna take one party (the bands or LN/TM) to cave from the shame & public backlash. Bands need to be willing to make less elsewhere, to force LN/TM to become more competitive… or LN/TM needs to put it on the bands & have the bands rent the venues from them for whatever price, have the bands/promoters pay that fee upfront, just like you would if you were renting a Hall or Church for a Wedding, have the bands/promoters subcontract out the staffing needed to pull off the show, either from unions, the venue or from their own personnel at the their own expense upfront, then the band can look at what it cost them to put on the show, add what they want to make and then sell tickets with that advertised price through TM or whatever ticketing agency they’d prefer.
As far as congressional action, they should force the dissolution of Live Nation & Ticketmaster, create two separate companies. And they should create a “tax/service fee” for doing it… and make Live Nation & Ticketmaster pay 100’s of millions in service fees to the gov’t. Then you go after them on a state by state basis in the individual state houses and challenge their monopolies inside each state as separate companies, thus creating competitive practices inside each individual market. Now they gotta 50 law suits in 50 states, that’s alotta legal fees. Then the executive branch needs to go after ever top level executive each company has or had in the last 15 years, with audits on their personal finances, the finances of their relatives & current businesses, etc…, they gotta do it publicly with leaks and make it hurt… legally & in the court of public opinion. You gotta make it real hard for anyone to want to business with these people. You cut their balls off and feed them to them on live TV with hearings & trials and exposure of their secrets… you gotta go full on Teddy Roosevelt Trust Buster on their asses. Fuck if it’s legal or if it’ll hold up in court… just drag it out & bleed them dry over time with legal fees, shame and stress to the point they cave & go try to steal money from someplace else that’s easier & less hassle. You put cops outside every Live Nation owned venue in America and have Sobriety Checkpoints at every exit, make it a hassle on fans to go to these places. Force their hands… that’s the only way. Thinking they’ll “do the right thing” is a fairy tale that probably won’t come to be.
Post by Endless Summer 2.0 on Mar 18, 2023 15:06:03 GMT -5
“I’m full of magic and wonder.
But I do not boast”.
— Dubheasa Maloney.
American Beauty
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Neighbor
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by looseankles on Mar 18, 2023 18:21:37 GMT -5
BTW Bearly Dead is playing at Main Line Brewery in Richmond on April 18 and 19. Bob and I will be at the Wed night show.
Merry Prankster
Disguised as a squirrel
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Anyone? Anyone?
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by smosey wales on Mar 19, 2023 10:52:14 GMT -5
But understandably the consumers are angry. Would enough of them have paid $44.00 all in? Maybe the $20 base price is bait and switch by the band, not the company processing the sale?
ETA after Robert Smith complained, TM said it would refund some of the fees, but I did not see how much.
In a system where everyone wants to be as greedy as they can be, without getting called greedy in the process… it’s gonna take one party (the bands or LN/TM) to cave from the shame & public backlash. Bands need to be willing to make less elsewhere, to force LN/TM to become more competitive… or LN/TM needs to put it on the bands & have the bands rent the venues from them for whatever price, have the bands/promoters pay that fee upfront, just like you would if you were renting a Hall or Church for a Wedding, have the bands/promoters subcontract out the staffing needed to pull off the show, either from unions, the venue or from their own personnel at the their own expense upfront, then the band can look at what it cost them to put on the show, add what they want to make and then sell tickets with that advertised price through TM or whatever ticketing agency they’d prefer.
As far as congressional action, they should force the dissolution of Live Nation & Ticketmaster, create two separate companies. And they should create a “tax/service fee” for doing it… and make Live Nation & Ticketmaster pay 100’s of millions in service fees to the gov’t. Then you go after them on a state by state basis in the individual state houses and challenge their monopolies inside each state as separate companies, thus creating competitive practices inside each individual market. Now they gotta 50 law suits in 50 states, that’s alotta legal fees. Then the executive branch needs to go after ever top level executive each company has or had in the last 15 years, with audits on their personal finances, the finances of their relatives & current businesses, etc…, they gotta do it publicly with leaks and make it hurt… legally & in the court of public opinion. You gotta make it real hard for anyone to want to business with these people. You cut their balls off and feed them to them on live TV with hearings & trials and exposure of their secrets… you gotta go full on Teddy Roosevelt Trust Buster on their asses. Fuck if it’s legal or if it’ll hold up in court… just drag it out & bleed them dry over time with legal fees, shame and stress to the point they cave & go try to steal money from someplace else that’s easier & less hassle. You put cops outside every Live Nation owned venue in America and have Sobriety Checkpoints at every exit, make it a hassle on fans to go to these places. Force their hands… that’s the only way. Thinking they’ll “do the right thing” is a fairy tale that probably won’t come to be.
What the bands, and only the bands, could do is contract to sell their tickets for an "all in" price. Their business people already know that it would make the tickets appear unaffordable, and so one won't make the move unless they all do. And if they all got together on ticket pricing, they'd be accused of "price fixing."
But the bands can do like Smith and the Cure did, and prohibit dynamic pricing, which is a major bone of contention on the subject, but has nothing to do with the add-on fees.
As to your second paragraph, I have learned after I started this discussion, from one in the business, that Ticketmaster's fees in the add-ons are only a small part--maybe a few bucks, to pay them to have a company that sells tickets for you, just like hiring a company to pump out the portajohns. Forcing a break-up so there are several ticket vendors, as they did in England, doesn't create competition; it creates chaos and inefficiency.
If Livenation owns/controls too many venues, I guess the government should seize them all and run them as The People's Venues. After all, there's some good music in Moscow if you like ballet and classical.
Feb 12 Billy Strings NFK
Feb 18 Marshall Tucker Band Philly
Feb 25 Marcus King Band NFK
April 6 Rosanne Cash NFK
April 15 James McMurtry NFK
April 20 Little Feat VaBeach
April 21 Blackberry Smoke NFK
July 2 Last Fair Deal w/John K VaB
July 23 Dave Mathews Band VaB
July 26 Robert Earl Keen C'ville
July 28-31 Floyd Fest BFE
Sept 24 Southern Culture on the Skids VaB
Nov 19 Dark Star Norva
Dec 3 Sky Dog VaB
Merry Prankster
Disguised as a squirrel
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Anyone? Anyone?
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by smosey wales on Mar 20, 2023 12:23:43 GMT -5
I'd rather have the business level out the pricing so it accounts for busy and slow times internally, and I think the consumer would be irritated by a price hike at a busy time--the same consumer that welcomes happy hours, early-bird and midweek specials. But this is emotion, not logic--the essence of marketing.
I've seen some places put time limits on your occupying a table. A popular Italian restaurant won't serve dine-in pizza on Friday nights. In the old days, bars with entertainment had drink minimums and I think there is some return to that.
www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/surge-pricing-is-increasingly-being-used-in-restaurants-and-movie-theaters-making-everyday-activities-much-more-expensive/ar-AA18ABL7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=98ef522b175c4e29a49e5b556667e775&ei=49
Feb 12 Billy Strings NFK
Feb 18 Marshall Tucker Band Philly
Feb 25 Marcus King Band NFK
April 6 Rosanne Cash NFK
April 15 James McMurtry NFK
April 20 Little Feat VaBeach
April 21 Blackberry Smoke NFK
July 2 Last Fair Deal w/John K VaB
July 23 Dave Mathews Band VaB
July 26 Robert Earl Keen C'ville
July 28-31 Floyd Fest BFE
Sept 24 Southern Culture on the Skids VaB
Nov 19 Dark Star Norva
Dec 3 Sky Dog VaB
Old Head
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: DakhaBrakha 4eva
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by uʞɔo˥ewbn on Jun 13, 2023 5:10:05 GMT -5
www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/episodes/taylor-swift-tickets
P.S. No dig on Smosey. He seems to know and/or listen to this stuff already
Merry Prankster
Disguised as a squirrel
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Anyone? Anyone?
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by smosey wales on Jun 13, 2023 10:22:00 GMT -5
Feb 12 Billy Strings NFK
Feb 18 Marshall Tucker Band Philly
Feb 25 Marcus King Band NFK
April 6 Rosanne Cash NFK
April 15 James McMurtry NFK
April 20 Little Feat VaBeach
April 21 Blackberry Smoke NFK
July 2 Last Fair Deal w/John K VaB
July 23 Dave Mathews Band VaB
July 26 Robert Earl Keen C'ville
July 28-31 Floyd Fest BFE
Sept 24 Southern Culture on the Skids VaB
Nov 19 Dark Star Norva
Dec 3 Sky Dog VaB
Merry Prankster
Disguised as a squirrel
If I could add one artist to the 2023 lineup: Anyone? Anyone?
Number of LOCKNs attended: 6
Post by smosey wales on Aug 9, 2023 7:02:23 GMT -5
Compare and contrast Beyonce and Barbie.
While a lot involves strategy, there is a lot of "good will" built in to the process, to keep movie goers happy and coming back. Concert producers don't care; they should consider "you can shear a sheep many times but you can only skin him once."
A big difference is that the movie is in town for a couple of weeks; the concert once a year or so. Even the circus used to hang around.
The article doesn't mention that some theaters recently tried increased prices for the better seats but they gave up on that practice, thankfully.
www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-07-25/-barbie-box-office-is-so-big-why-aren-t-tickets-more-expensive#xj4y7vzkg
Feb 12 Billy Strings NFK
Feb 18 Marshall Tucker Band Philly
Feb 25 Marcus King Band NFK
April 6 Rosanne Cash NFK
April 15 James McMurtry NFK
April 20 Little Feat VaBeach
April 21 Blackberry Smoke NFK
July 2 Last Fair Deal w/John K VaB
July 23 Dave Mathews Band VaB
July 26 Robert Earl Keen C'ville
July 28-31 Floyd Fest BFE
Sept 24 Southern Culture on the Skids VaB
Nov 19 Dark Star Norva
Dec 3 Sky Dog VaB