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When I was young and the world was new, there wasn't such an animal as VIP at festivals. We all paid the same price, heard the same music and had the same views on the field. Then VIP started, and while I can't fault festivals for making a few extra bucks, it's a phenomenon I hate because it's divisive, smacks of elitism, and totally goes against the grain of what these festivals were all about in the first place--good music that all can share with no ideological, cultural or monetary boundaries. Maybe I'm seeing the world through rose colored glasses, but I miss that feeling of unity. And I certainly have no hard feelings (maybe a little jealousy OK, gotta go get in line for shoulder ride duty... Please note: This forum is in no way officially associated with Lockn' Festival or its promoters.
Post by dool on Jul 21, 2016 13:38:30 GMT -5
[Editor’s Note: VIP viewing will still be available, however, the setup has been reconfigured and placed in another area from where it was last year. This will allow for better viewing overall from both VIP and GA attendees.]"In addition, the VIP area that was set up in the middle will be eliminated this year."
Read more: lockn.proboards.com/thread/2310/frey-interview-sarah-bourque#ixzz4F10aDJ9B
bummer!!
Frey also said in original interview that VIP would have a dedicated entrance directly into the VIP viewing area. I think it will be on the side(right side according to map) like year 1
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Post by audiblenectar on Jul 21, 2016 14:12:49 GMT -5
I remember Frey or Shapiro specifically mentioning this - that it would be off to the side, with SVIP getting the first few rows. This was a while ago - probably a month or more - so that could change.
It is a conundrum for fest organizers doing VIP to optimize the situation. It's easier to put VIP off to the side, easier to integrate the entrance, services (bars/eats/bathrooms etc) and viewing than it is to put that viewing area in the middle (which is definitely a better view) and try to offer services within that area. And yes, GA patrons get a little angry when all the front-of-stage is perceived to be given to VIPs. There's some politicking going on with that decision for many fests. But I find the "off to the side" to be a little mixed results at many fests - the view isn't often "prime", although I can get to a place rather easily that's still in the best 40% of the house.
Post by dawkins20 on Jul 21, 2016 14:53:41 GMT -5
But I find the "off to the side" to be a little mixed results at many fests - the view isn't often "prime", although I can get to a place rather easily that's still in the best 40% of the house.
Yep, the reason my wife and I became addicted to big fest VIP is the ease of seeing more music , closer, without having to post up for hours and miss sets in order to get a good spot. Teh advantage of being able to bounce between stages and get at worst decent sightlines with no wait is huge and allows us to see way more bands in a day.
However, at a setup like this where there is only one act and one stage at a time, alot of that advantage is removed. So while I totally understand why they need to move VIP out of the dead center area, at least in my opinion the sound and sightlines better still be excellent, not just a small wedge to the side, or what are we paying for?
Post by coryb on Jul 21, 2016 15:09:26 GMT -5
I agree. It has to be a good VIP area! I am sure it will be.
So stoked!
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Post by southernman on Jul 21, 2016 15:15:14 GMT -5
bathrooms? closer camping? refreshments? faster entry?
Post by dawkins20 on Jul 21, 2016 15:36:14 GMT -5
bathrooms? closer camping? refreshments? faster entry?
All nice, but really not worth $1g, which is even considerably more than what alot of larger fests charge. Need the viewing area to be remotely worth it.
Post by coryb on Jul 21, 2016 15:40:34 GMT -5
indeedAll nice, but really not worth $1g, which is even considerably more than what alot of larger fests charge. Need the viewing area to be remotely worth it.bathrooms? closer camping? refreshments? faster entry?
CB
Post by wizard1 on Jul 21, 2016 15:44:56 GMT -5
More perks than the reason for the ticket, i'm there for the music and bought VIP for the viewing area. Not saying it has to be in the middle, but it for sure better be in a spot where the sound is mixed correctly (off to the sides last year was kind of rough in spots)bathrooms? closer camping? refreshments? faster entry?
Post by southernman on Jul 21, 2016 15:50:33 GMT -5
Sense that we are all part of one family and nobody is better than the other: priceless
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Post by TOO $ on Jul 21, 2016 15:55:30 GMT -5
We don't use the VIP bathrooms or showers because we bring an RV but that is a really nice perk. We pay for VIP primarily for access so closer camping yes, faster entry yes but above all a close viewing area that I don't have to stay at all day to get a good spot. Free refreshments are nice but don't add up to enough to offset much of the ticket price. VIP bars and free late night food are welcome features as well.bathrooms? closer camping? refreshments? faster entry?
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Post by jrtmom on Jul 21, 2016 17:22:37 GMT -5
I would "like" this comment 1,000 times but Proboards won't let me.Sense that we are all part of one family and nobody is better than the other: priceless
Post by wizard1 on Jul 21, 2016 17:41:42 GMT -5
we are all one community - its just worth it for me to pay a little extra for a guaranteed view, some space and quality sound for phish
Last Edit: Jul 21, 2016 17:43:51 GMT -5 by wizard1
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Post by thebigz on Jul 21, 2016 18:03:09 GMT -5
Yep...exactly!!
indeedAll nice, but really not worth $1g, which is even considerably more than what alot of larger fests charge. Need the viewing area to be remotely worth it.
Post by vafatboy on Jul 21, 2016 20:49:59 GMT -5
I sure hope it's not a triangle like year one. That year, you had to get there early or you were still way back. I am going to miss the raised platforms but I sure hope they keep it centered. I have done svip the last three years and this VIP. The main reason is location. I am an old guy and standing in the GA packed crazy crowd does not work for me. I need some space and need to sit from time to time. Called CID a few hours ago to inquire and they don't know anything at this point.
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Post by mccjeff on Jul 21, 2016 20:53:58 GMT -5
How far north of 60 are you? Because if not, you don't get to play the old guy card.
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What happens if I take both?
Post by vafatboy on Jul 21, 2016 21:30:59 GMT -5
You win. I guess I don't get the play the old card. How bout the busted up back card. LOL 15 years of racing cars has taken it's toll on my (not so old yet) body. How far north of 60 are you? Because if not, you don't get to play the old guy card.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 21:34:50 GMT -5
L1 VIP viewing blew goat. With 2 alternating stages you had to move back a forth through the crowd with no break to empty and refill. I really hope it's not on sides. That could be the straw.I remember Frey or Shapiro specifically mentioning this - that it would be off to the side, with SVIP getting the first few rows. This was a while ago - probably a month or more - so that could change.
It is a conundrum for fest organizers doing VIP to optimize the situation. It's easier to put VIP off to the side, easier to integrate the entrance, services (bars/eats/bathrooms etc) and viewing than it is to put that viewing area in the middle (which is definitely a better view) and try to offer services within that area. And yes, GA patrons get a little angry when all the front-of-stage is perceived to be given to VIPs. There's some politicking going on with that decision for many fests. But I find the "off to the side" to be a little mixed results at many fests - the view isn't often "prime", although I can get to a place rather easily that's still in the best 40% of the house.
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Post by jrtmom on Jul 21, 2016 22:06:56 GMT -5
) against you ballers out there, I just wish it were the good ol' days!
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Post by thebigz on Jul 21, 2016 22:21:41 GMT -5
Mostly agreed here. The fact that it's just 1 stage though may make it OK if it's like L1. Loved the way it was last year but sounds like that's not happening. L1 VIP viewing blew goat. With 2 alternating stages you had to move back a forth through the crowd with no break to empty and refill. I really hope it's not on sides. That could be the straw.I remember Frey or Shapiro specifically mentioning this - that it would be off to the side, with SVIP getting the first few rows. This was a while ago - probably a month or more - so that could change.
It is a conundrum for fest organizers doing VIP to optimize the situation. It's easier to put VIP off to the side, easier to integrate the entrance, services (bars/eats/bathrooms etc) and viewing than it is to put that viewing area in the middle (which is definitely a better view) and try to offer services within that area. And yes, GA patrons get a little angry when all the front-of-stage is perceived to be given to VIPs. There's some politicking going on with that decision for many fests. But I find the "off to the side" to be a little mixed results at many fests - the view isn't often "prime", although I can get to a place rather easily that's still in the best 40% of the house.
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Post by mccjeff on Jul 22, 2016 8:21:04 GMT -5
They really do need a way to make it equitable. I agree that VIP does pay a premium for an upgraded view. However, last year VIP paid a premium for GA to have a downgraded viewing experience. "But VIP paid more!" True, but GA paid the same or more as the year before and we got less.
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Post by TOO $ on Jul 22, 2016 8:27:56 GMT -5
I cannot disagree with this. I think the stage should remain stationary and the viewing areas rotates around the stage. But seriously you are right and I have faith that it will e an improvement for all.They really do need a way to make it equitable. I agree that VIP does pay a premium for an upgraded view. However, last year VIP paid a premium for GA to have a downgraded viewing experience. "But VIP paid more!" True, but GA paid the same or more as the year before and we got less.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 13:56:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I think it all can be attributed to way over selling vip. If everyone is vip no one is vip. 5 feet of svip and 15 of vip with access from both sides would be cool. Close enough to catch Grace should she fall off the stage.
Post by vannpw on Jul 22, 2016 14:07:12 GMT -5
As this is our 4th Lockn, but first in VIP, I will be pretty disappointed if the viewing area is diminished. I understand it can't be down the middle, but at least a little room up front would be nice. One of the main reasons we upped the anty this year was in anticipation of a larger crowd with Phish (and we were thinking Dead & Co or at least another big draw) and the ability to have quality sound and sight line with a little extra room...
One question I did have for those who have done VIP before: Obviously there is an entrance to the VIP campground from the general campgrounds and not just from inside the venue. In years past, where was this? Behind shakedown last year?
Post by Flufhead on Jul 22, 2016 16:30:06 GMT -5
More perks than the reason for the ticket, i'm there for the music and bought VIP for the viewing area. Not saying it has to be in the middle, but it for sure better be in a spot where the sound is mixed correctly (off to the sides last year was kind of rough in spots)bathrooms? closer camping? refreshments? faster entry?
Agreed. I spend that $ for the view and sound. Some free food and all the water I can down are my perks.
Post by wizard1 on Jul 22, 2016 19:26:19 GMT -5
also I did VIP but am in no way a baller unless a 27 year old with student loan debt can be considered a baller. Working some weekends and shipping out some extra reports to pay for the increased cost because its worth it to me this year.
